Hobo Radio 116 – Going Ben Linus on your hatch
January 28, 2010 4:17 pm Hobo Radio- Introduction
- Lost discussion
- Contractually-obligated Batman discussion
- “Lost” by The Famous
Week 116 Spotlight: Going Ben Linus on your hatch
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This week, we are shaking things up a bit. In honor of Lost’s impending final season, Joel Murphy and Lars have invited Chris Kirkman, HoboTrashcan’s resident Lost expert, on to discuss the show. Ben Linus himself, Michael Emerson, described Kirkman’s recaps as “one of the smartest articles I’ve ever read about what goes on on our show,” so needless to say, the guy knows what he’s talking about.
Joel and Lars, of course, do not. But much like Hurley on the show, they are here this week to represent the common man and to interject with their amusing comments. And to get plastered.
You see, like he does every week in his recaps, Kirkman is providing us all with a show-inspired drink recipe:
THE DO-OVER
Combine equal parts bourbon and ginger brandy (or ginger beer, or even ginger ale, if you’re hard up – something with a bite), half as much sour mix, all over ice. The recipe can be tweaked, with ginger beer substituted, or with vodka instead of bourbon if you want more ginger flavor. Also, a good variation is using hot ginger tea, combine that with the brandy, add bourbon to taste. |
So pour a nice tall one and enjoy the show.
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Amanda :
Date: January 29, 2010 @ 2:02 am
I’m drunk, and you guys are geniuses. Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. Good call on that biblical light vs. dark reference. I have to say that I think Locke is indeed special; his sacrifice did bring everyone back to the island – the role he played, the fact that he was healed, all of it culminates in a warped sense of purpose. And the question of purpose is undoubtedly an underlying theme in the show: why does anyone decide to do anything?
Kirkman, you are brilliant. The Island is a sentient location possessing balance – and the fact that Esau shows up when Man/Humanity comes into the picture is representative of this ancient struggle to maintain equilibrium in the face of variables, i.e. man and his ability to choose (see the second Matrix). I thought for a long time that the Island is a point between Heaven and Hell and the people who are ‘chosen’ are all ’special’ in that they have reached a point in their lives when their humanity faces the ultimate challenge: will their consciousness transcend or will they be once again fail to recognize the greater scheme of things and thus be cast into the cycle of unfolding and continuously changing universal design.
The universe is created with a source of energy and a black hole … so it would go to suggest that the Island is in fact a microcosm of this greater sense of PURPOSE.
I think the aspect of time travel is indeed evidence that there are greater forces at work, and one must pay attention to the ultimate design; the greater driving purpose behind every initiative. And you know what…it is about the Journey, and the choices humanity is capable of making, for we are always the indeterminate factor.
Chris K. :
Date: January 29, 2010 @ 10:19 am
Now THAT’S what I call a good comment; especially the “brilliant” part. Very intelligent discourse, Amanda – and I don’t just say that because you agreed with all of the points made in the podcast. I think this season will be very interesting as the writers delve deeper into the actual purpose of the island, and the metaphysical struggle for balance that has been occurring there for millennia.
Lost Fan :
Date: January 30, 2010 @ 12:28 pm
Can’t wait for another season of LOST. I’m not gonna post anything deep until the show starts. Looking forward to your analysis on season 6.
zettoo :
Date: February 1, 2010 @ 11:33 pm
Chris!! Good to see you back and theorizing over Lost. I loved your time travel analyses last year, and think they’re really going to show up in the new season. Your “The Island is a sentient location possessing balance” is right on! I think you’ll see that come very much into play this season. We all keep thinking about “who’s on Jacob’s side, who’s on MIB’s side?” but really, I think the Losties challenge will be to move past both of those sides into something new. I think we’ll see that the island itself wants balance, and Jacob and MIB create this balance – but what MIB has done has ‘tipped the scales’ and the Losties have to reestablish the balance.
Anyway, good to see you theorizing again, I’ll be sure to check back after the premier to see your comments!
Z
zettoo(zetts) :
Date: February 1, 2010 @ 11:59 pm
I also want to say that after you watch the first episode of season 6, go back and watch ‘Flashes before your eyes’, and look for a ‘fleck of red’ that is referenced in both episodes…I think it’s a special sign…
Thor :
Date: February 2, 2010 @ 2:18 pm
Loosely related to this podcast specifically.
Joel & Lars it’s time to subscribe to http://moderndrunkardmagazine.com/
Joelle :
Date: February 2, 2010 @ 5:47 pm
I’ve procrastinated jotting down some thoughts regarding the end of season five and the start of season six, where we are, where we’re going, etc… and now it’s nearly zero hour and I haven’t even begun to attempt to clarify things in my head. Oh, well. What follows will most certainly be wicked rambly and nowhere near as coherent as what Amanda wrote above.
Thing the first, regarding Jacob and Not-Locke (or Esau, as you call him, which makes sense given that story): I also hope the game between these god-like characters will be brought back to the human level. You’ve got both Jacob and Esau/Not-Locke manipulating certain characters and bringing them to the island for all sorts of purposes to which we are not privy. They’re being used in some sort of replay of a story between Jacob and Esau/Not-Locke. I agree with what you said in your recap of the final episode of the fifth season that the story works better (meaning that we can relate to it better) if the characters and events are more at the human level.
Thing the second, minutiae regarding the cabin: I’ve been toying with the idea that the circle of ash surrounding the cabin was perhaps to keep Esau (rather than Jacob) in and not so much to protect Jacob. The voice saying “help me” could have been Esau. And Ilana seemed very afraid when she realized that whoever it was she was looking for in the cabin was not there… and then they had the real Locke’s body… yeah, rambly. Ok, moving on.
I’m hoping that the bomb/event/whatever that happened at the end of season five isn’t a complete do-over. But I also have my doubts regarding just how many of the unanswered questions will actually get answered. So I don’t have any clue as to how much of the story thus far will get reset, if any of it does.
I can’t wait to see what role Des and Penny will have as well as Hurley (and what IS in that guitar case that Jacob left in the cab?)… and do so hope that we’ll see our favorite deceased characters make a reappearance.
Not having lived through the past five seasons in real time (having only caught up these last several months) I’m so looking forward to playing along for the final season.
Oh, and the drink recipe was super yum. Probably going to make my own ginger syrup to add, though. Extra zing!
Magnum :
Date: February 5, 2010 @ 11:19 pm
This is a mind-bending article. Well done.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Ian Smyth :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 12:19 am
The paradox theory makes complete sense. But, which one will be the dominant theory? Now that’s a good mystery. We have two perfectly good realities, and now we have to find out which one is dominant. Could it be that the re-set is dominant, and that’s how the show ends? Or being blasted to 2008 on the island?
Amazing.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
George Viana :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 12:19 am
I think I will check in on this series of articles through the season
and wow that paint thing is a nice catch
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
nintendowarrior :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 2:19 am
Desmond only turned the key once…
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zacamaquati :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 3:18 am
Great theories. Especially in explaining Desmond on the plane.
I actually think Christian Shepard is also played by Smokie/Esau. When he appears to Jack at the hospital, Jack comes out of his office b/c the smoke detector is going off. He has to remove the battery to stop it, and then he sees Christian.
There could have been a million ways to have him appear before Jack- a smoke detector seems pretty significant.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Skip182 :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 3:40 am
I’ve been saying for about a season now that I believe that Jacob can also turn into something relatively smoke-monster like. When Locke first saw the monster I believe it was Jacob. Every time after that I think it was the MIB…Or I’m totally wrong. Whatever.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Tony Perkins :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 5:47 am
The "Alternate Timeline" couldn’t exist without them crashing, time traveling, and creating the incident. What we are gonna see this season is the "AT" being the reason that the original timeline exists. Creating a figure 8 paradox.
Chicken and the egg can’t exist without each other.
Jack will fix Locke, causing him to walk when he wakes up on the island. We will see jack get the cut on his back that he woke up with in the pilot. etc…
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Erin :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 10:22 am
Definitely an intense article! Love it! I never caught the Desmond-paint-on-the-neck thing. However, I was reminded of the wound on Faraday’s neck (which you catch a glimpse of during the "Previously, on LOST" segment before the episode begins. I’m not really sure what’s going on, but it certainly feels like the first season all over again.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
adrian81 :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 11:43 am
Congratulations on this article! It really underlines the fact that LOST is the most complex TV-sjow ever. I mean, honestly, could someone write such an article about heroes? About desperate housewives? Not that I don’t like these shows, it’s just a fact that no TV show will ever come not even close to LOST’s quality.
Concerning the "smoke monster": What I don’t really get: In the second and third season we sometimes saw the smoke monster in a rather different form: Wasn’t it really black and didn’t look like smoke but more like a plack paint moving? You know what I mean? The Un-Locke Smoke monster now really looks like smoke, which is different.
What I also still don’t unterstand: On what "side" is Christian Shepard playing? BEcause if he is the good guy (on Jacobs side): Why did he know that John was going to die off-island? Why did he say: That’s why it’s called a sacrifice? I somehow can’t imagine him to be ths smoke monster. I never had the impression he was really bad or violent? Just my impression… I guuess we’ll see…
One more thing about the moment Jack was in front of the mirror. Why was there that incredibly sad music? It was almost melancholy. Did you hear that? That’s definitely no coincidence. I’m sure there is somethign that the writers wanted to tell us. I could imagine both scenarios: 1) The newly created reality will be the dominant one: The island will be destroyed and the Losties somehow sent to this new reality. 2) There is really an 8 shape-time paradox going on. The actions within this new reality are causing everything that happened in the "crashing on the island"-reality.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
vahag :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 4:07 pm
I think it was inside the statue, thats why you thought that it looked "darker".
Great Recap!!!!
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Aubrie :
Date: February 6, 2010 @ 11:14 pm
Oh my goodness!! This article was so well-written and thorough! I loved it, it really got me thinking. Thanks for posting!
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
marcelofandrade :
Date: February 8, 2010 @ 12:36 am
Very good analysis!
Just a few comments. I think the Enemy/Lostzilla repealing ash is just vulcan ash (there is a vulcan in the island, did you remember?). I can bet Smokey can’t cross any circle surface, as the DharmaVill sonic pillars and as when some Lostie just hide himself just behind the bamboos.
The Enemy/Jacob touchless issue reminds me the Benjamin/Widmore dialog at "The shape of things to come".
The Ben/Widmore conflict about something that one owed and was stoled byt the other is also analog to me to a kind of Enemy/Others issue. Maybe the Temple is the "home" of the Smokey, which now (still?) belongs to the Others that want to explore all the great things the Island can do. BTW, I suppose the Island’s healing power come from the rain.
The Schrodinger Experiment will be the right explanation to justify the dade bodies of Eve and Adam at the Arrow station. For the Losties point of view, the "cat" was been dead in some circunstancies, and alive in other ones.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
summertime310 :
Date: February 8, 2010 @ 11:33 pm
Excellent! Especially liked the Desmond stuff. Thanks, Erin!
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summertime310 :
Date: February 8, 2010 @ 11:51 pm
Excellent! Especially liked the Desmond stuff. Thanks, Chris!
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Chris K. :
Date: February 9, 2010 @ 5:50 pm
Thanks for all the compliments, folks! I’m glad you’re all enjoying my ramblings, and it sounds like it got a lot of your wheels turning. I think we’re in for a great season, and I’m really looking forward to tonight’s episode. I’ll be back with a full recap and analysis on Thursday! Namaste.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Josh :
Date: February 11, 2010 @ 2:15 am
VERY nice article
You raised some very interesting points…
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
JZ :
Date: February 18, 2010 @ 7:29 pm
New to your site so pardon me if this has already been mentioned. Has anybody thought to connect Jacob & Esau to the Jacob & Esau brothers story in the Bible? In the Bible, Jacob wants to win his father’s blessings before Esau, so he deceives his father into believing he IS Esau & does receive the ‘blessings’ that were intended for Esau. When Esau learns of the deceipt he is angry & intends to kill Jacob, but Jacob flees, wrestles with an angel of God … etc.? Neither of them, ‘the bad guy’, really – Jacob prospers, repents, & eventually seeks out his brother Esau to seek his forgiveness …etc. Dont think i’m able to make a connection between the two myself though. But certainly b/c of their names, there is some parallel of some sort.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
Martin :
Date: February 25, 2010 @ 2:44 pm
What if the lighthouse mirrors were looking into the parallel universe? And what if who he wants to bring to the island is Jack’s son? Just a thought.
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
godoyster :
Date: February 25, 2010 @ 3:27 pm
the interesting thing is that the name of Shepperd is written much more recently than the others [you can see that it is more prominent and dark... all others (Kwon, Ford etc) are more worn, as if they were written long ago]
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vahag :
Date: February 25, 2010 @ 5:43 pm
Great work!!!
The details on this show are amazing, you are right. 108th episode WOW, yeah this episode WAS like 108 episode (what?), anyway, I think nobody is coming to the Island, or whoever is coming isnt THAT important, because Jacob was worried about Jack (only).
It is actually number 23 is big, dark, like "the one". (GREAT!)
When I saw David playing piano , remembered Daniel, eeeeeh, I miss him very much.
The mirrors were not important anymors , that means this is THE END.
Cant take it anymore
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
phil9072 :
Date: February 25, 2010 @ 5:47 pm
I am a big fan of all of your recaps on here, I was wondering if any of the stuff said about the adam and eve, or any of the heiroglyphics on the walls Hurley was lookin at had any significance for you? You seem to usually have some kind of mention of those things?
This comment was originally posted on sl-LOST.com – Daily LOST News
dave :
Date: February 25, 2010 @ 7:01 pm
Why do we assume all these last names refer to the primary cast members rather than some kind of family tree?
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