One on One with Raymond J. Barry
April 11, 2012 Celebrity Interviews, Justified No Comments
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Saying Raylan Givens
has daddy issues is a vast understatement.
Raylan’s father is a criminal who works with the man Raylan is trying to apprehend, Boyd Crowder. Season three’s finale made it abundantly clear that Arlo Givens has chosen Boyd over Raylan. Arlo now views Boyd as his only family.
Playing Arlo on Justified is Raymond J. Barry, an accomplished stage actor and former standout athlete. We talked to Barry about last night’s finale, his work in the theatre and the Fosbury Flop.
How did you get into acting? When did you decide it’s what you wanted to do for a living?
I was attending Brown University and a professor approached me about being in a play. The play was William Inge’s Picnic. They were looking for a football player to play the part of Hal, who apparently was an ex-football player who had gotten old. The part was played by William Holden in the film of Picnic.
I was so blindsided by his request. I said, “I don’t know anything about theatre” and I said, “I don’t think so.” The idea of being up in front of an audience and acting was completely foreign to me.
Long story short, I kept on having conversations with him in a place where people had coffee. He invited me to audit one of his classes. I did so and next thing I knew I took one of his classes and I became interested in what they were doing. Not so much, but somewhat interested because my mother was an artist and my grandfather was sculptor. My mother was also a published writer, so there was an artistic bent in the family. I had an uncle who was a concert pianist. My sister was a painter. There was a lot of creativity in my family.
I was the jock. But I was smart enough to go to a place like Brown University. I was in the play and I was not very good in it. All the football players came to see me in it and laughed their asses off. It was ridiculous to see me up there trying to act.
Long story short, I did another play after that and the same professor, whose name is Jim Barnhill, asked me if I’d be interested in applying to Yale Drama School after I graduated from Brown. I was a philosophy major at Brown. So I applied. I was interested enough to apply. They accepted me and during the interim of the summer, I studied with Uta Hagen and Bill Hickey at Herbert Berghof Studio in New York City. By that time, I was completely committed to it and interested in learning how to act.
Actually, my interest in athletics in high school and college – I also was on the track team and I played two years of basketball at Brown – that was my first performance in front of audiences. I could perform. And there were crowds of people watching games and I was used to that. But I didn’t have to speak. That’s the difficult part when it comes to acting.
When did you start feeling like an actor? When did you feel comfortable getting on stage and talking in front of people?
I think probably somewhere in the vicinity of age 30 I began to recognize that this was my commitment and this is what I was going to be. I wasn’t at ease with myself on stage. That took a long time. But I knew I was going to hang in there at that time.
By that time I had worked with the Open Theatre, Joseph Chaikin’s company, and I had been traveling all over Europe performing. We performed in places like Algeria, Israel, Paris, London. I was doing 200 performances a year by that time with the Open Theatre and I still wasn’t what I would consider skilled at what I was doing, but I was becoming seasoned by putting my hand in the fire.
There were times when I felt I was good at what I was doing and there were times when I felt I wasn’t. It was only when I began to not care if I was good or bad that I became pretty proficient at acting. But that takes a long time.
At what point did television come into your career? And do you still primarily consider yourself a stage actor with television gigs thrown in sporadically?
That’s an interesting question. I just finished an eight-week run of my own play. I write plays and I perform in them. I did the same play for five weeks in New York at the Theatre for the New City. I do both for different reasons. I make my living from doing television. I’ve been doing the FX series Justified for three years. Now they’ve committed to a new season, so I’ll be doing it for a fourth year.
So my income comes from doing film and television. It’s a very modest income working on stage, unless you’re on Broadway, which I’ve done upon occasion. I guess I’ve done about four Broadway plays. But you can’t count on being on Broadway in terms of income. So I greatly appreciate the film and television work and I enjoy it and it does require skill and you do have to be calm inside. It requires a kind of center. You have to know what you’re doing.
Theatre is another animal. It’s blue collar work. You sweat. It’s uncomfortable at times. At times it’s euphoric. You’re out there for one and a half hours to two hours and there are no retakes. It’s tough work and you get sweaty and dirty and you’re not paid very much. But it makes you very tough in your head.
You mentioned Justified. How were you cast as Arlo Givens and how was the role originally described to you?
They gave me the role. I didn’t have to audition. By that time, I had enough work under my belt that they could just give people my tape. I think somebody fought for me. I don’t know who. There was a woman. I don’t remember her name.
But the process of getting the role was like water off of a duck’s ass. I didn’t have to do anything except a lifetime of work. They looked at tapes of things I had done, like Born on the Fourth of July, Dead Man Walking, Interview with the Assassin. Another thing that helped also was that I had done a rural character in a movie called Walk Hard. Since the character is rural, I think the parallel between the two characters helped a great deal.
And generally, I think what has happened over the decades is I’ve established somewhat of a good reputation. I don’t waste people’s time. I know the lines. I’m dependable. I give a decent performance. They know that they’re not going to waste all kinds of money waiting for me to say the right words. I’m dependable.
I gravitated to the role immediately. I liked what they had written for me, particularly the first season. It’s been a pretty simpatico relationship between myself and the producers since I’ve been working on it.
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